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I don't (emphatically) agree that civilians are to be disregarded in warfare. What is the purpose if an Army is not a civilised one? Without discipline and principles of combat it becomes a mob. Also, the trend towards learning from restraint should be part of the evolution towards the desired goal- especially when that rather worn phrase "hearts and minds" is envisaged. If civilians had been a low priority in Cyprus (EOKA) when I was there, and the training had not taken over as an automatic reaction, I'd have shot and killed an eleven-year-old boy, selling newspapers from his pedal cycle, suddenly rushing into a soccer game in session on the pitch, and could have been about to toss grenades or something. Training was to kill the real terrorists, not the would-be bystander.

J; I've read what you said again-my difficulty is that I read it as being somewhat ambigious, and I may be off-beam here. Where do you stand regarding the civilian in the "target" areas?

To be crystal clear, I believe civilian noncombatants should be protected from military weapons effects to the greatest extent possible. I think the US military has tried to obey the laws of war and that McCrystal's attempt to stress the importance of avoiding civilian deaths was a good one.

But (there's always a but) it certainly is made more difficult when the adversary is not uniformed. And the idea that civilians should be left out of the impact of war has become increasingly difficult since, oh, say 1915. My major point is that I do not favor this focus on excluding the use of unconventional and less-than-lethal weapons because of the possible impact on civilians when, on the other hand, so many of them are dieing from conventional weapons.

It seems hipocritical to me. If you're worried about civilian deaths, then you have to be less quick to pull the trigger on any weapon system, not just the ones that get bad press.

No, not hypocritical, I think, just circumspect- as I see it, anyway.
Depends on the situation presented, I guess, whether there's a reaction favourable (Pavlovian) to the scene, or time to think about it.

Here's an analysis of some of the bad publicity and controversy that followed the pain ray around.

DoD's publicity campaign, which simply involved enlisting as many journalists as possible to stand in a field and get fired on, backfired catastrophically.

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