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I think the FBI's case against Dr. Ivins is bogus: no evidence, no witnesses, an impossible timeline. Your analysis above does not convince me at all.

The case made public by the FBI could never hold up in court, which is why it was so convenient to charge a dead man. If that's the best the FBI can offer after the most extensive investigation in their history, shame on them.

The real question is why the FBI persists in sticking to such a pathetic story. What are they hiding?

You can follow and participate in a discussion of the anthrax murders at www.caseclosedbylewweinstein.wordpress.com.

Your contrary comments are welcome.

The FBI sticks to the story because they've exhausted all leads Lew and have been thorough in doing so. It's simple Sherlock Holmes, when you've eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be true. That includes lack of evidence, witnesses, and shortened timelines. If a tree falls in a forest and no one sees it, does it make a sound? You're god damn right it does, so if Bruce Ivins is alone in his lab being an "anthrax researcher" does that mean he didn't cause the amerithrax incidents because no one saw him mix the flask?

Nice post J. I'm witchoo

Also think the case against Irvins is bogus.
Irvins was growing very small batches of wet spores using a lypholyzer (something like that) for bio research on animals. In contrast the anthrax attack used huge amounts of dry spores of uniform size, and that had been treated electro statically so they would not cling or clump and and would remain airborne. In other words this was weaponized anthrax, and I have heard no evidence suggesting that he could have made these spores. Notice the phrasing 'access to the biological material'. if US labs were using anthrax from the same source, that does not mean anything. He had genetically similar anthrax as did many other researchers, plus he committed suicide after we hounded him relentlessly? thats not a case. thats a joke.
I look forward to someone explaining what Im getting wrong here.

Would we be making any OTHER kind of anthrax other than weaponized to study? Do you really think we lost all our capability to research and study this stuff in the 1970s? No, we just didn't reneg like the Russians did on the agreement and didn't pursue offensive capabilities. We did keep on looking at in limited ways how to deal with weaponized agents...
Also, do you really think you're going to get Law Enforcement agents down into the weeds with all this small batch, wet spore, lypholyzer BS talk? No, you're not. You're going to get a list of dudes who can and can't make the stuff, had access, and then you look at their backgrounds and histories and careers and personalities. And no offense, even if he was innocent, and he killed himself b/c he doesn't like being talked to, I don't want him handling the countries Bio Defense capabilites whatsoever...

What NVH said. Not to make this (another) legal defense, the anthrax used in the Amerithrax letters was not a "huge amount," it was in single digit grams. Funny thing about bio materials, you can grow as much as you want, it's not limited like chemicals or nuclear material. The anthrax spores were not "weaponized" in as far as coatings, that was an initial view that was later debunked. The anthrax was dried and ground up to be aerosolized, but the silicon "coating" ended up being an environmental contaminant, not a deliberate engineering step. And if you compare the anthrax in the first letters to the latter ones, you see that the early stuff was crude, the latter batches were more refined (but not "weaponized"). Read the report. The investigative side pretty much proves out the case after the forensics pointed to Fort Detrick as the probable source.

"J" writes "read the report". Yes, the report is very revealing. It shows why the alarm bells rang over the dispersibility of the Daschle powder. After Bruce Ivins showed that it dispersed into single spores upon plating (>10^12 colony forming units per gram), that was alarming enough. But then the government quickly gathered a collection of dry spore simulnats they had availiable in house. These dry spore simulants are ALWAYS weaponized with silica - that's standard procedure.
When Bruce Ivins plated these the alarm bells really went off - the Daschle powder dispersed into single spores at least 2 orders of magnitude more effectively than the weaponized simulants - in most cases much more than 2 orders of magnitude.
And we are supposed to believe he made a product orders of magnitude more effective than the simulants all on his own covertly when he had never made a weaponized dry powder preparation before in his life?
The numbers don't lie - and the science doesn't lie if you understand it.
It's all documented in page 121- 130 at http://foia.fbi.gov/amerithrax/847545.PDF

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