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It seems to me that a way forward in this particular tangled web is to find some legal definitions. What is meant by War Crimes, Collateral Damage, and what are deemed legitimate targets involving civilians. It's a very heavy subject. I think that a hefty volume could come out of it, but it would have pages and pages of references, and no central conclusion- except one perhaps: the increasing destructive power of weapons and collapse generally of respect for human life. I think it was Wellington who replied to one of his officers, who had admiringly commented on Napoleon's abilities as commander in chief, and his subjugation of Europe and it's civilian populaces. "Yes" Wellington agreed, "But he is not a gentleman". I think we have to look at the Causes first, and the Means next, and the Results last. But someone else can pursue that if they wish- I'm swinging from apple trees in between visiting this blog. The apples are damn'good this year. This afternoon, the British Tommy is moving forward to attack some Taliban, and I'm carrying baskets of apples to the house. Strange feeling; different worlds. Difficult to focus on the 4GW subject , but that's my problem.

That's a really interesting way of looking at things. Thanks, I wouldn't have seen this otherwise. I know a few other combat datasets, I'll have to see if any of them have applicable data.

As a side note, I think one of the main blocks to developing laws of war relevant to wars between states and non-state actors has been a consistent reluctance to treat non-state actors as legitimate players. That may be part of why we haven't addressed the collateral damage issue.

Aren't non-state players closer to criminal than military? Maybe this is a thread that can be investigated. The Mafia liked car bombs, the IRA had morter teams, if you don't have to worry about tanks and aircraft then a robust police response might be the way to go. IEDs and RPGs will make things tougher, though.

I actually had a post about a year ago on this very topic. Yes, the term "non-state actor" is actually quite broader than just addressing terrorism.

Jason, thanks for the blog response. I have more thoughts up at Current Intelligence now on this topic. I guess I'm interested in finding out if the relationship suggested by my cut at Downes' data is valid before I get into trying to explain it. Needs some corroboration across other datasets.

I don't think the issue of engagement with non-state actors is necessarily implied as an explanation of those particular results, though, because Downes' data is only on interstate wars. He explicitly excludes civil wars that often involve non-state actors on one side. Even the Iraq war only has data through 2003, when it was primarily a war against another army. So the numbers here really reflect the pre-4th-gen warfare (they also reflect a coding scheme that wasn't really designed to get at this particular nuance in the law).

I think an exhaustive look at the issue would require a better dataset or at a minimum, a better meta-analysis of several datasets, and it would definitely need to include civil and internationalized wars as well. Then we could get into hypothesis testing like you're talking about.

This kind of initial cut is certainly useful for hypothesis-building, though, eh? Some of the comments on Drezner's blog also put forth hypotheses, such as "it's all about aerial warfare;" one colleague has written me suggesting the higher absolute numbers are just a result of population growth worldwide. For my part, I'm interested in the extent to which war law itself is the problem. Targeting of civilians and even indiscriminate attacks are clearly prohibited by law. But there's very little legalization in the area of "accidental" civilian deaths. Lots of interesting questions there. Cheers.

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