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I agree with you that WMD charges for IED construction (or conspiracy thereof)is stupid, but I think it's part of a general effort by government prosecutors to convict would-be terrorists. Because WMD charges carry such stiff sentences, they get the defendants to plea to lesser charges (conspiracy, possession, etc.) and get to avoid going to court. It's happened before (see Lackawanna 6 and the Fort Dix plot). I also suspect that if these cases were to go to court, a significant amount of them would have flaws and some of the suspects would get off. Bad news for the agencies that trumpeted their victory in the GWOT.

So the relevant government agencies get their coveted anti-terrorism efforts and success stories, and the defendants get long sentences. Not exactly the best solution.

Yeah, I realize that, and NVH or ry is going to come here and say the same thing. Not being a law enforcement guy, maybe I don't recognize the value of plea-bargaining, but as an academic exercise and for the value of having a consistent definition across the federal govt, it fails.

Maybe if he stole a LNG tanker and did a McVeigh I could consider it a WMD.
Otherwise at best we are looking at an IED.
I do think the term WMD, is stupid in general.
Weapon of Mass Destruction. That encompasses IED's if you want to get really pedantic.

They need to go back to NBC weapons. Or Strategic NBC weapons, thus saying they have a minimum kill count ie a large town or small city.

But calling a bomb that might kill 100 people a WMD is sad.
Anyone with a 105 howitzer and a crowd and you'd have WMD.

WMD is NOT an FBI or DHS thing, it is an Attorney General thing... As mentioned, the law was written by/for prosecutors, not academics or intellectuals. As an afterthought (or lack thereof), the Agencies can then pile on the "threat porn" to garner bigger budgets and greater authorities. We are, in fact, becoming more of a police state every day. By using "threat porn", it is easy to use Orwellian logic that safety for the masses is freedom from fear!

And I doubt 20th SUPCOM would be able to think their way out of this paper bag. Wanna talk police state? That would really be a fun combination of Keystone Kops and Gestapo! Have yet to meet a real "WMD Expert" in uniform these days... Are there any senior field graders in operational units with advanced degrees in a hard science left?

WMD is an arms control thing that DoJ and DoD twisted into political Gordian knots aimed at meaning whatever they want it to mean. No way to run a business.

Sorry, J, was in Disneyworld with the kids last few days. It was nice, thanks for asking. And that KSR guy is right.

LEOs don't care about your 90 lb brain thinking about global / national WMD strategy and terrorist definitions, you and Al Mauroni, while correct, can sit on the fencepost by yourselves...

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