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I'm curious about your thoughts on EMP. Is your position that EMP itself (technically) isn't much of a threat, or is it that a scenario that would lead to use of EMP (high altitude nuclear air burst) isn't much of a threat, or both?

My view is that, as a phenomenon, EMP is definitely a threat, but scenarios where it would be used are not likely.

I agree with you. There is no question that EMP is a nuclear weapons effect that should be considered by military forces. I believe there are systems that can generate an EMP to a limited degree and that can damage electronics equipment. I do not believe that any current or future adversary would seriously consider a high-altitude EMP attack on the United States for the purposes of "shutting down" the country's communications infrastructure, or that we would be hurled back into the stone age as a result. I don't think any basic review of an adversary's motives and intentions would lead one to that conclusion as a rational outcome.

It makes lots of sense to 1) harden military systems and military comms from EMP effects and 2) increase civilian electronic infrastructure's system resiliency from EMP and natural disasters/man-caused accidents. We need to ensure that future conflicts involving nuclear weapons do not shut down operational capabilities. We ought to acknowledge the vulnerability and fragility of civilian comms, because it's an expensive, national-level public concern. Neither one of those goals, however, requires a national missile defense program.

I don't knowq the effects that the EMP could have on human bodies. I had a triple bypass heart operation 5 years ago and am very fit; however, the pins "they" left in the bones in the chest sound off when going through customs at airports (I kid you not). Causes some irritation of feelings on my part since I put everything else metallic through the system of course. I am not compelled to swing around to face North like a compass needle, but joking aside, I wonder the possible effects if any of EMP on tissue.

Ok, just making sure.

Ray, my wife is a nuclear engineer who has done some work on EMP. I'll ask here and see what she says.

Thanks, Andy.

Ray,

Here's what my wife sent me:

The biggest problem is when we have long conducting lines that will bring in a spike of power that the terminators or receiving ends are not equipped to handle and they overheat or cause something else to overheat and break. A piece of metal (like a pin in a shoulder or something) in your body isn't a big deal because its purpose isn't electrical in nature. A pacemaker on the other hand COULD be very sensitive, because I don't know how it would respond to the long EM pulse or even a single short pulse. Unfortunately, analytical models of EMP "effects" on a system predict correctly (compared to an actual test at an EMP test facility) about 50% of the time. And the magnitudes are usually about 30% off (+ or -) and usually there is "new phenomena" that has never been observed/predicted before. So models really aren't enough, the only way to be sure is to actually test something and this hasn't been tested to my knowledge.

Thank you, Andy and Mrs Andy.

Interesting.
I think I wanted to find out how far these tests had gone; how much the general population would be effected. You both have indicated this is still largely unknown.
Mind you, I ask myself why anyone would bother to just knock-out communications and not go the whole way by using the usual nukes. What would be the point. What is the scenario afterwards, if there is widespread failure in communications after EMP...Others have covered that point, above.

Still, I'm no analyst, or strategist, as you've gathered. I wonder if there'll be a test, like the old atom bomb days.
Thanks again.

Your argument is not a valid claim, because even if there are people who wish to capitalize from this threat, it may still be the case that we should take it seriously.

It's like arguing against welfare because the people who support it wish to be viewed as compassionate by their constituency. No, that's not an argument about whether or not we should fully fund welfare.

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