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They're using it as an indecendiary.

QS/IS is a ground burst mission and HC smoke would be better for a QS mission, anyway. Screening in the atack is usually a deliberate smoke mission with HC. You wouldn't used WP airburst for a smoke marker; the WP would frag (as you see it doing) and start little fires everywhere.

So they're burning down the town to crisp the Hamas boyos and the random kid or twenty.

War is hell, yo.

I hear you, FDChief, but my (limited) experience with the Field Artillery has been that they never wanted to carry HC shells in their inventory. Rationale was that 1) they never got that many calls for smoke missions (usually covered by smoke grenades or mortars), and 2) WP could stand in for HC in a pinch (a dual-purpose shell).

Again, I'm not in Gaza, can't tell what the Israelis are doing, but it seems to me that using WP as incendiaries would be counterproductive for two reasons - first of all, their troops have to operate in the same area (additional hazard), and second, international condemnation (such that it is) and costs to rebuild Gaza would be high.

I'm holding out as a skeptic that this is not intentional use of incendiaries against civilians (and Hamas militants). Much easier just to use FAE or HE if that was your goal.

Exactly; WP is a DP shell, not just smoke. It's rather SMK-INC.
They could use better shells if they wanted only smoke (and actually, I cannot exclude the possibility that maybe they don't use WP).

Maybe we'll learn about their intent and effects after the war. So long I'd like to observe that they lost credibility about the "minimization of civilian losses" thing if that's really WP.

@FDChief: Maybe they airburst it to get smoke into streets while base ejection smoke could land on rooftops or in a street (and the smoke would be limited to that one street)?

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Jason,

I don't see the line as fine at all. The convention specifically excludes smoke munitions which have incendiary effects. It seems to me this clause is clearly aimed at WP smoke rounds. Even if one considers the M825 a combined-effects or DP munition, it's still excluded from the convention because "the incendiary effect is not specifically designed to cause burn injury to persons." The M825 is clearly not designed to cause burn injuries to persons. WP can, I think, be made into a weapon for that purpose, but it's characteristics and design would be quite different.

FDChief,

Heya. I read your blog and enjoy it immensely. I think I have to disagree a bit here. Ground burst seems problematic in dense urban terrain for a variety of reasons and would be much more likely to cause incendiary effects than an airburst. For one thing, with ground burst if the shell misses the street or whatever you're trying to cover, chances are it's going to slam into a building and then you'll have the WP concentrated in an area that will likely have a lot of flammable material, not to mention people trying to avoid the fighting. You also get a wider smoke dispersal with an airburst.

Also, it doesn't seem like they're actually "burning the town to a crisp" since I haven't seen any reports that any of these rounds have started any fires. Most of the WP-impregnated felt submunitions are going to land on rooftops or in the street. From the many pictures I've seen of Gaza (haven't actually been there), most buildings appear to be concrete construction with concrete roofs. None of that makes much sense if one's intention is to use it for its incendiary effect.

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