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That's awesome. Must have been a real thrill. These guys do have a lot to offer to national security. Thanks for the book tip too.

What, no hat tip to Greg Bear's Blood Music? It was the original biotechnology turns into grey-goo apocolypse novel.

Its too bad Philip K. Dick isn't around anymore. He really had a knack for predicting the most anticipated future innovations.

I'm still catching up on Bear. He's quite a prolific author. I'll check Blood Music out, thanks.

"I've always believed that scifi authors - at least those with scientific upbringings - were better able to peer into the future and accurately identify challenges and trends."

I'd be skeptical of the "accurately": they'd throw up some scenarios that maybe one wouldn't have thought of, which would have a better chance of incorporating a discontinuity than conventional thinking. I'd give them credit for outside-the-box thinking, but after the meeting's over we'd want that thinking to fit into a new cuboid receptacle.

Frex, given what we know of within-group versus between-group diversity in H.Sapiens, I think that "Quantico" would require a honkin' heap of Disbelief Suspension.

The next 10-20 years are still going to look a lot more like now than we expect. (I guess I always think of Arthur C. Clarke's adage that the impact of a [some] new technology is overestimated in the short term, but underestimated in the long term.)

But I think we have a greater expectation of change from technological advances (e.g. the bomb, electrification, the internet) than we have from social or political events. But every 10-15 years we have a political event or upheaval (the fall of the Eastern Bloc, 9/11, Watergate, Vietnam), and every 30 or so years we have a new social movement - decolonialism, second wave feminism, Leninism, anarchno-syndicalism/narodikism, inter-war pacificism, fundamentalism - which changes the possibilities and problems we face. And we do a really crappy job of anticipating that kind of change, 'cos it's only 20 years later that we see how the so-called 'dead hand of history' was actually draggin us by the leash.

So I guess if SF authors help generate scenarios, that's great. But while technology is a huge driver, it's not the sole driver.

Sock Puppet, you are off the mark, these guys kick ass and their forebearers have called the ball on just about everything we have pulled off in the last century. Sure, no jet packs for the masses yet (check out http://paleo-future.blogspot.com/ for some great misses). J, you are a lucky fucking bastard and I will spend my holiday weekend pouting about it!!!

"Sock Puppet, you are off the mark, these guys kick ass and their forebearers have called the ball on just about everything we have pulled off in the last century."

Look, I've got about 50 linear feet of F&SF on the bookshelves, subscribe to a SF magazine (used to subscribe to more, then realised I didn't have time to read them), and have 12 more boxes of books. And that's not counting the RPG stuff.

But reading SF is a weaker aid to thinking about the future of what we're gonna be thinking in the future than Science, Nature, Foreign Policy, Harvard Business Review or for that matter classic Dead White Male stuff like Adam Smith or Tacitus.

It's still cool J. got to meet them though.

It was something else. Sock Puppet, I also subscribe to F&SF, got a big stack of them but I seem to keep on top of the short stories. I think I can compete with you on boxes of books too - ask my wife.

I'm not sure GJ is saying that reading SF is what we ought to do to prepare for the future, but certainly the SF guys seem to understand future concepts and social implications of science on our lives. Hey, we can all still enjoy it without worrying about miniature black holes in the center of the earth.

Pournelle and co tried being influential back in the early eighties when they were pushing SDI.

That worked out well.

Legacy of Herot and Inferno are among my all time favorites. As GJ said, you are one lucky bastard.

They probably don't do this at the DOD for any number of good reasons. Foremost among them are that it's an insanely large and immobile bureaucracy that has an establishment the size of, well, Texas.

Another is that when they do try to put innovation of new ideas in there, other political actors pounce for gain as all the Democrats ludicrously did when they had a test program based on futures markets in predicting terrorism -- an OUTSTANDING idea that could help us a LOT but that's politicians playing games with national security for you.

"It was something else. Sock Puppet, I also subscribe to F&SF,"

Me also. Like it better than Asimov's.

"got a big stack of them but I seem to keep on top of the short stories. I think I can compete with you on boxes of books too - ask my wife."

I sympathize. My wife's also been at me to purge, but she doesn't understand the PAIN of parting with said books. I'll get round to reading them all. Honest.

I am jealous. "Moving Mars" was my first Greg Bear novel. "The Mote in God's Eye" and "King David's Spaceship" were two of my first and still two of my favorite SciFi books ever.

"...if you want to see the Future Combat Systems in print, just grab one of David Drake's "Hammers' Slammers" novels. Surprising to me how many FCS people had never heard of him before."

Actually, in my experience it's not so surprising...perhaps sadly. For some reason, Drake seems to be the least-read sci-fi author among the modern military/defense-industry population; I'd wager that the majority have never even heard of him.

Part of the problem is that most of them get introduced to mil-sf through John Ringo, and they conclude that it's all like that. Of the rest, most of them stop at David Weber, or possibly Eric Flint.

And, as you say, it's a real shame. "holy crap, we're mounting robot-aimed radar-guided shotguns to shoot down incoming missiles!" Yeah, Drake thought of that thirty years ago. "Hey, let's hang claymore mines on the sides of our tanks to deal with close-quarters infantry combat!" Yeah, Drake thought of that thirty years ago. "Wow, we could use directed-energy weapons to shoot down incoming artillery rounds and rockets!" Yeah, Drake thought of that thirty years ago...

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