« Thoughtful Criticism | Main | Don't Go Into the E-Ring »

21 September 2005

TrackBack

TrackBack URL for this entry:
http://www.typepad.com/services/trackback/6a00d83451b39369e200d83459b66769e2

Listed below are links to weblogs that reference Lowering the Bar - Again:

» Plus ça change... from Sisyphean Musings
Here's my question to "journalists" and bloggers, especially Milbloggers, on the Left and Right: How is this different than the Army GED Plus Enlistment Program put in place by Secretary of the Army Caldera in 2000? [Read More]

» Trespassing at Your Own Public University? from Sepia Mutiny
When the basicAP article about the swearing in of the new Joint Chiefs of Staff has a lede that casually tosses off recruitment shortfalls in the same breath as Iraq and disasters, you can be assured its one of the mili... [Read More]

Comments

Feed You can follow this conversation by subscribing to the comment feed for this post.

Back in 1972, I handled the GED program for the ship I was serving in. What I learned from that job was probably more than the sailors I was assisting. I learned, first, that the American education system was not compatible with everyone's learning style and that a lot of very sharp individuals were abused out of regular high schools by a very inflexible approach to education. Secondly, I learned that at some level some of these young men had been abandoned by teachers and passed on without learning how to read at a level above 3rd grade. I learned that with a little tutoring and some immediate reward for improving themselves some of these high school drop outs, while not becoming literary geniuses, did blossom into reading machines even if their tastes would not have satisfied a professor teaching Chaucer and Shakespeare. Finally, I learned that most of these young men were well aware of the problems they faced in not having a HS diploma and were very motivated to get the equivalent. And, as you note, like the Scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz, once they got their "diploma" they became better sailors and citizens because, among other reasons, they had proof they were as "good as anybody else."

I don't want the army to become a welfare agency, but the selective admission of otherwise intelligent men and women who lack a high school diploma is not a bad thing.

And if it helps them meet their recruiting quota, so be it (and since they are frontloading the program with a "get a GED or else" requirement, it seems pretty "win-win" to me).

No, you're absolutely right. I shot off my emotions irresponsibly there at the end. Another reader emailed me and noted this: "The clear, uncontroverted argument by the Army -- which, as I recall, everybody wound up agreeing with -- was that the high school diploma was important NOT as an indicator of academic achievement, but rather as an indicator that the individual could operate successfully in a structured environment (which is why there is a sub-limit on the proportion who they'll take with a GED rather than a conventional diploma)."

I should have noted that the more important indicator of troop quality is how many ASVAB level 4 troops are being accepted vice the more higher level troops, rather than this GED issue. If the Army doesn't change the 10 percent quota issue, then they really aren't changing policy on troop quality.

I disagree. There was a reason that the Army stopped accepting non-GED high drop outs (or flunk outs). I don't have the stats to back up an argument, but an NCO on my blog posted her view, which makes sense to me on why this is probably a bad idea.

To J.'s larger point, I agree that looking at whether the CAT 4 level of acceptance has increased (these are those who essentially flunk the ASVAB). These may be high school grads, GED recipients, or that latter category. As Eaglespeak points out, the diploma doesn't measure aptitude or intelligence, but rather, sometimes just the ability to stick with a four year program. However, the ASVAB measures aptitude and skills in certain areas. Those immediately below the standard are CAT 4, among whom a tiny percentage (which varies depending on enlistment demands) is allowed to enlist. It's separate from the other issue (HS/GED/neither) but probably a more important indicator of potential.

The comments to this entry are closed.

November 2009

Sun Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
8 9 10 11 12 13 14
15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28
29 30          

Daily Thoughts


National Security

General Military Links

National Security Thinktanks

My Photo

Google Search

  • Google

    WWW
    armchairgeneralist.typepad.com

Enter your email address:

Delivered by FeedBurner

Armed Forces Press Service

Political and Social Commentary Blogs

Blog Directories

Notable

Blog powered by TypePad
Member since 12/2004